EPs and releases that were planned, but never happened

This has already been alluded to in other threads. Quite a lot of Hardcore stuff from the 90s (and later) was never released. Some actually made it to white labels or test pressings, and then was axed.
We did write about some of these in The Hardcore Overdogs - "Slices of Fischkopf - Reviewing Phantom Releases That Never Happened on the Label" https://thehardcoreoverdogs.blogspot.com/2025/02/slices-of-fischkopf-reviewing-phantom.html
Although 3 of these might not count, as they at least appeared on different labels and in different formats.

So, does anyone know more of them?
Releases that exist only as white labels, or that were already announced in magazines or on the internet and then did not happen, or are only on a DAT, and so on...
I assume there are some quite famous ones!

T-Wisted - The 2000 E.P.
a few that came to mind

From the HHS label: original info from UM website featured three never released records:

FUTURE RELEASES

HHS994 - HARD 'N' MORE HORRIBLE SOUNDZ
HHScon004 - HHSCUM vs THE REANIMATOR
HOOL9 - KLAN OF HOOLS

a vinyl release was d in Strobe or Thunder? magazine Nation Of Freaks - I'd Like To Kill Somebody

Cunt Records has some white labels of never released records from when the label stopped. I'm sure they were added in the database of discogs, but somehow I can not find them anymore?

There was a United Speedcore Nation record planned when the label stopped to include a Legionz ov Hell track:
"U.S.N compilation, 12" EP 2001 with the track "Manifestation ov the GOAT" to be released by United Speedcore Nation late April." (2001)

as well as a unreleased 7" by Legionz ov Hell - Casus Luciferi, picture 7" 2001

Side A:
1.Intro: GOATPOSSESSION
2.Gospel ov the Wicked

Side B:
1.Casus Luciferi
2.KHULTRITUAL: Outro

to be released by Morgue Distortion Records early June.(2001)

Widerstand Records has several releases planned including Widerstand LP2 and LP3, one was supposed to be a deathcore special and the other was called "world of darkness" (or something like that)

Various – Total Darkness Party-Gift

In , I the Hangars Liquides website was announcing a record (or 2, not sure...) by the Michelson sisters, aka Mouse and No Name. Pretty sure this was scheduled to be Hangars Liquides n°27. It was announced around 2005/2006 if I well. b But then Hangars Liquides stopped producing vinyls and I think there were some legal issues as well with the brand 'Hangars Liquides' as apparently, La Peste was not the only owner of the label (it was co-owned with his former wife I was told.) I La Peste talked a bit about that in a french radio show : Rave Up on Maxximum with Patrick Rognant a few years ago. But I don't think La Peste is willing to release music on vinyl again on his own label.

Also, I don't know if the tracks for that Mouse & No Name release on Hangars Liquides were already selected or done. Or if they have finally been released elsewhere after that as the sisters both released some new records on labels such as Homicide Records and Doom Nation for example. So the mystery is still entire regarding that Mouse & No Name release on Hangars Liquides. Damned, it was so exciting at the time...

Also, there was a Drokz vinyl planned on Epileptik, which was only issued as white label but the label ceased to exist before the actual relase : https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/1083939-Drokz-Untitled

I also M. Newlands shared a picture, years and years ago, with a box full of unreleased demos and DATs owned at Soundbase Music headquarters. The box contained, for sure, some Lasse Steen stuff but also other artists which I can't (maybe some of the guys that released on early Special Forces like Dr Machete or Re.pete but i'm not sure). But Lasse Steen was definitely in. Too bad Soundbase went offline for such a long time afterwards... Also can't complain as they have started releasing again with Fifth Era and Kotzaak during the last few years.

but hey Steffen, if you happen to end up here reading my post, you must know that some folks here are still willing to spend their money on some "new" and unreleased records by Skullblower, Senical and all those crazy monikers by Mr Steen! ;-)

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but hey Steffen, if you happen to end up here reading my post, you must know that some folks here are still willing to spend their money on some "new" and unreleased records by Skullblower, Senical and all those crazy monikers by Mr Steen! ;-)

I'm not sure but maybe some of these tapes went to Simon Underground as he announced some "old" stuff from Steen. One is already released. https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/31062398-Choose-Strangely-Unlimited-ep

Also TNI released an old Senical track last year. https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/master/3500139-Various-Terror-Knows-Fake-Industry-EP

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Freakosbut hey Steffen, if you happen to end up here reading my post, you must know that some folks here are still willing to spend their money on some "new" and unreleased records by Skullblower, Senical and all those crazy monikers by Mr Steen! ;-)

I'm not sure but maybe some of these tapes went to Simon Underground as he announced some "old" stuff from Steen. One is already released. https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/31062398-Choose-Strangely-Unlimited-ep

Also TNI released an old Senical track last year. https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/master/3500139-Various-Terror-Knows-Fake-Industry-EP

Yeah, that would be cool if Simon can press some more from Lasse Steen in the future! ;-)

Dion
DJ The Stallion - King Of Chicago
Sim*, B-ernd & Wax (17) - Plain & Simple
Ceasefire (2) - Only If I Had One
DJ Oblivion - Machinery
Various - Thunderdome - The Unreleased Projects
Various - The Masters
T-Wisted - The 2000 E.P.
a few that came to mind

MOK77 came out?

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Various – Total Darkness Party-Gift

I think it was intended to be a whitelabel. As it was a party gift? And maybe to avoid rights a bit with the inclusion of Bed Time ?

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In , I the Hangars Liquides website was announcing a record (or 2, not sure...) by the Michelson sisters, aka Mouse and No Name. Pretty sure this was scheduled to be Hangars Liquides n°27. It was announced around 2005/2006 if I well. b But then Hangars Liquides stopped producing vinyls and I think there were some legal issues as well with the brand 'Hangars Liquides' as apparently, La Peste was not the only owner of the label (it was co-owned with his former wife I was told.) I La Peste talked a bit about that in a french radio show : Rave Up on Maxximum with Patrick Rognant a few years ago. But I don't think La Peste is willing to release music on vinyl again on his own label.

Also, I don't know if the tracks for that Mouse & No Name release on Hangars Liquides were already selected or done. Or if they have finally been released elsewhere after that as the sisters both released some new records on labels such as Homicide Records and Doom Nation for example. So the mystery is still entire regarding that Mouse & No Name release on Hangars Liquides. Damned, it was so exciting at the time...

Also, there was a Drokz vinyl planned on Epileptik, which was only issued as white label but the label ceased to exist before the actual relase : https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/1083939-Drokz-Untitled

I also M. Newlands shared a picture, years and years ago, with a box full of unreleased demos and DATs owned at Soundbase Music headquarters. The box contained, for sure, some Lasse Steen stuff but also other artists which I can't (maybe some of the guys that released on early Special Forces like Dr Machete or Re.pete but i'm not sure). But Lasse Steen was definitely in. Too bad Soundbase went offline for such a long time afterwards... Also can't complain as they have started releasing again with Fifth Era and Kotzaak during the last few years.

but hey Steffen, if you happen to end up here reading my post, you must know that some folks here are still willing to spend their money on some "new" and unreleased records by Skullblower, Senical and all those crazy monikers by Mr Steen! ;-)

Also a unreleased EPC (as Tristan Breakdown?) collab with La Peste for a split 7" and one of those Mouse traxx can be found on her soundcloud actually.

I once was on a sorta pre-discogs from 97/8? Where they only hosted hardcore/gabber labels. And I found this on the Statik Records page:

STATIK 003: HERETIK
(500 Release 12" Vinyl)
(Lee Bracy, To Be Released)
STATIK 004: SKUBBA HOUSE 2
(500 Release 12" Vinyl)
HERETIK -
MAX DEATH -
DJ PRODUCER -
E-DE-COLOGNE -
(To Be Released)
STATIK 005: TRAFFIK vs STATIK TREMOR
(500 Release 12" Vinyl)
(To Be Released)
STATIK 006: UK SKULL FUCK
(500 Release 12" Vinyl)
(To Be Released)

And this on Hellsound Records page:

Unreleased:

HB 012: PSYLOCKE - M.F. GANG
HB 013: MC DROKZ - LEGAL DROKZ EP
HB 014: JAMES DALTAN - 3.0 EP

-NeedleTeeth-

Also a unreleased EPC (as Tristan Breakdown?) collab with La Peste for a split 7" and one of those Mouse traxx can be found on her soundcloud actually.

oh! Nicely spotted! I didn't noticed that about the Mouse track. So here is one of those, once planned for an Hangars Liquides vinyl, for those interested :
https://soundcloud.com/mouse-estelle-kittinger/anovax

Thanks for the info!

Just a few things about Mokum Records.

I an interview with Predator and Tellurian in 1998 when they toured Australia. Tellurian mentions all his Mokums by number and that a new Tellurian record was coming out. I guess this didn't happen as the label was in a death spiral. It was actually pointed out to me by Traffic Cone that on F**king Hardcore #7, Block Fucking Beats is credited to Tellurian. Taking another guess, some of those Tellurian tracks came out on The New Generation record.

There's the Cherry Cocaine record by DJ Hidden, Attack Of The Killer Bassdrums. Possibly the Conspiracide track was a part of this?

Ralphie Dee was suppose to put out The Man EP, though those tracks have now been released.

There's two Walter One tracks on the last two Fucking Hardcore CDs that never came out on vinyl. My guess was there was going to be a third Walter One record but never happened due to the chaotic nature of Mokum in 1998. Plus there's been quite a few of his tracks released after his ing that lends some weight to that theory.

Chosen Few and Dano did a track called Thundertheme - Another Edition. I asked Chosen Few about this and he said him and Dano were writing tracks for a Mokum release in 2004 to help relaunch the label. But it didn't happen.

Scott Brown was also asked by Freddie B to do an Annihilator record in 2004/5. He said it would be new tracks and updated remixes of older tracks. But this didn't happen either. There's a related story about this, not sure if I should mention it though. Plus Scott has mentioned he was asked to do a remix for the Rob Gee/Ralphie Dee record. Possibly a remix project that got canned?

Oh and in the Thunder Magazine, Dano talks about a project with Herman Brood with Nico involved, that got cancelled after four months work. Whether this was coming out on Mokum is up for debate.

Finally my review based on baseless assumptions, https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/artist/419298-DJ-Gordon-2 :)

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There's the Cherry Cocaine record by DJ Hidden, Attack Of The Killer Bassdrums.

Where is that info from? Cherry Cocaine is Eye-D btw: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/artist/851323-Cherry-Cocaine

Sorry you're right, Eye-D. From the ooooooold Mokum website. https://imgur.com/a/3LFt6u7

Also a couple of CD only tunes by Spoetnik, maybe plugging gaps in the compilation? Also on FH #4, seeing the Bunko Squad and that Laurent Ho track makes you wonder if Mokum were going to do a French Hardcore release? I'm sure there's a simpler explanation.

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Just a few things about Mokum Records.

I an interview with Predator and Tellurian in 1998 when they toured Australia. Tellurian mentions all his Mokums by number and that a new Tellurian record was coming out. I guess this didn't happen as the label was in a death spiral. It was actually pointed out to me by Traffic Cone that on F**king Hardcore #7, Block Fucking Beats is credited to Tellurian. Taking another guess, some of those Tellurian tracks came out on The New Generation record.

There's the Cherry Cocaine record by DJ Hidden, Attack Of The Killer Bassdrums. Possibly the Conspiracide track was a part of this?

Ralphie Dee was suppose to put out The Man EP, though those tracks have now been released.

There's two Walter One tracks on the last two Fucking Hardcore CDs that never came out on vinyl. My guess was there was going to be a third Walter One record but never happened due to the chaotic nature of Mokum in 1998. Plus there's been quite a few of his tracks released after his ing that lends some weight to that theory.

Chosen Few and Dano did a track called Thundertheme - Another Edition. I asked Chosen Few about this and he said him and Dano were writing tracks for a Mokum release in 2004 to help relaunch the label. But it didn't happen.

Scott Brown was also asked by Freddie B to do an Annihilator record in 2004/5. He said it would be new tracks and updated remixes of older tracks. But this didn't happen either. There's a related story about this, not sure if I should mention it though. Plus Scott has mentioned he was asked to do a remix for the Rob Gee/Ralphie Dee record. Possibly a remix project that got canned?

Oh and in the Thunder Magazine, Dano talks about a project with Herman Brood with Nico involved, that got cancelled after four months work. Whether this was coming out on Mokum is up for debate.

Finally my review based on baseless assumptions, https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/artist/419298-DJ-Gordon-2 :)

A few traxx with Herman, non hardcore, can be found on The Prophet his YT! Done partly with Dano aswell.

I think the Fucking Hardcore CDs always had a few exclusive tracks by design, so they may not have had a release planned. Maybe to encourage people to buy the CDs even if they had all the Mokum vinyl releases? Some of them are pretty cool too, my favourite by far is "Techno-Logical Headbang" by Spoetnik, which I think surely must be the only gabber track in existence in 3/4 time...it's a gabber waltz!

I am also delighted to learn of DJ Gordon as well - mostly in his choice of DJ name. I suppose it works better in the Dutch scene, because in Scotland you had Gordon Tennant, Gordon Anderson out of Q-Tex, plus DJ ZBD and The Doctor (also Gordons). But "DJ Gordon" is also just such a wonderfully prosaic DJ name. Up there with "DJ Norman".

I suppose it is also possible he was d with Mokum just as a DJ - and especially for someone who's up & coming, that might be the best credit to put on a flyer. I'm assuming any tunes he made would have been with Maurice / Wicked XXX...and so would probably have ended up on H20H after Mokum fell apart.

My contribution to this topic would be a test press I actually have:

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/11190390-DJ-Elevation-Future-Vision-EP

I have mentioned this before on here - it's a test press for a release on Scottish label Breeze, Storm's sister label for more fun/ bouncy hardcore. Although this was apparently to be released as Breeze Max - a bit harder than the previous Breeze releases, but not quite full on terror like Storm. The copy I have came from the collection of DJ Sass (RIP) - who had a day job working for the main hardcore distributor in the UK (Alphamagic), and also was connected to the Scottish scene (did an EP for Clubscene, and another with Gordon Tennant for his own label).

He also played at Nosebleed, which was in the same area as Storm/Breeze - and in fact I think DJ Elevation my have been a resident? (not sure) I also many years ago had a white label for another Breeze spin-off, a hard trance EP by DJ Fusion on "Cool Breeze". I'd be curious to hear that again. Sadly I suspect the decline of the Scottish scene towards the end of 96, into 97 is most likely what killed these releases off.

I also used to have white labels of the two mysterious final releases on Shoop - not only from Fife as well, but one of them (Shoop 28) is by Mass Energy, who did an excellent EP for another Storm sub-label. I really wish I'd ripped that one - I it being along similar lines to the Unknown Source EP on Shoop (produced by one half of Mass Energy) - fairly experimental and interesting, if lacking a bit on the production side.

The other one was Shoop 501 - a double 12 apparently by Optical Illusion. All I about that was it being more on the techno side. I suspect this was effectively Shoop #27 - not sure why it became Shoop 501?

Both are from 95, when the Scottish rave scene was still going strong - but I think Shoop itself wasn't doing too well. The producer behind their biggest hits (Scott Brown) had left to set up his own label (in part because he hadn't been paid for his releases) - as did Gordon Tennant, and Technosis had also moved over to Scott's labels. And certainly the more underground style of those two final releases would be unlikely to have turned the labels fortunes around if they had made it to a full release!

There was one final Shoop release at the end of 1996 by Peter Piper called "My Generation" - but from what I that was an attempt at a sort of "old skool" revival, unconnected to the original "Shoop" - hence why that one is more of a 93/94 Italo style throwback than hardcore. Although Peter Piper did go on to launch a short lived happy hardcore label called Tiny Tunes - with a hardcore remix of "My Generation" on the first release.

One tune, I suspected to someday turn up on vinyl but Juggernaut's Self Evidence from the 2nd Ruffneck CD in 1994.

Most CD fillers for that serie eventually saw the light of day but tjis remains pure to that CD sadly.

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I suppose it is also possible he was d with Mokum just as a DJ - and especially for someone who's up & coming, that might be the best credit to put on a flyer. I'm assuming any tunes he made would have been with Maurice / Wicked XXX...and so would probably have ended up on H20H after Mokum fell apart.

I think what interested me was he does a live set with Chosen Few called Mokum Allstars. I believe if he made more music it would have been with DJ Jokey as 3 Da Hard Way, and they seem to be booked at the same parties. Although Wicked XXX is on Discogs and may be able to clarify a few things, including his track Wussie Style.

How about the Mokum Tornado? https://imgur.com/a/3qQGysp

I guess that's the RNO Tornado, Beyonder and Chosen Few playing tracks they made together. Including Predator and Arjuna, they were all collaborating with each other at the time. Still, you never know, it might have been a planned record release.....

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I think what interested me was he does a live set with Chosen Few called Mokum Allstars.

I notice that flyer also lists Dano and Tellurian as Mokum Allstars too (although not "live"). Mokum Allstars does sound like it could be a "live" PA in the mould of Ruffneck Alliance rather than brand new tunes...

Also i love the fact that rave apparently finished at 11 am. Couldn't get away with that in the UK...

However the one I am most intrigued by is the final one which seemingly has Technohead playing as "Slut" :D

Without sliding head first into a Mokum thread, I've wondered about this one. On Hellsound 6 and Thunderdome Best Of 97 is Rob Gee - Fuckin' Hostile '97. Considering Rob Gee and Oliver Chesler did that crazy Hold Me Now 97 remix, you gotta wonder is they were working together on a project that never happened. Maybe part of Industrial Strength's decline in the late 90's. It's plausible that the track Still The Hardest was a part of that too. It is possible some of those tracks came out on the Temper Tantrum vs. Unexist record? I'll have to dig it out, but there's a Horrorist interview where Oliver talks about a DJ Skinhead record that was suppose to come out but there were issues with Lenny Dee at the time.

The BZRK CrazyCutz Volume 2 double album gives some insight in the plans they had with the Bzrk Black label. Things got pretty messy there in the end. 006 (Brooklyn Boyz) and 009 (Devious) were released as white label, 007 (Promo) appeared in different versions, but 008 (Arjuna) and 010 (Mike Ink's Lovely Ugly Brutal World remixes and original) never saw the light of day.

And I think KNOR 063 was supposed to be the second Innerchild EP, which was eventually released on H2OH later on.

See back of the sleeve on image:

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/179657-DJ-Skorp-DJ-Pila-Mindcontroller

RNO 004 BD+KM

RNO 005 RNO Tornado

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/4868080-Bass-Reaction-The-Scotchman-Technophobia-Headbanger-Remix-Asylum-Neophyte-Classic-Early-Rave-Remix

The Neophyte remix was done in 96/97, so maybe another Scotchman record that never came out?

That "Fucking Hostile 97" sounds like it was just Rob Gee to be honest, I mean it's even him re-voicing the Pantera vocal.

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The Neophyte remix was done in 96/97, so maybe another Scotchman record that never came out?

more likely for the remix EP on Dwarf I'd have thought. TBH I prefer the remixes that actually made the release (the D-Boy one especially is quite unusual for a "mainstream" gabber track!)

Here's one from the 00s I being sad about: Donna Summer's label Cock Rock Disco released this EP featuring tracks from Maddest Chick'n'dom, probably the finest Japanese hardcore of the last 20 or so years: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/685053-Various-Cock-Rock-Disco-Presents-Maddest-Chikndom-1 - which was apparently going to be the first EP in a series of 4. I was quite excited to get some of those tracks on vinyl - however sadly the other 3 EPs didn't appear. (although there is also a white label on Cock Rock with an excellent Warst tune I used to cane!)

I also one of my favourite labels from the late 00s, Neurotic Waste - https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/label/77715-Neurotic-Waste - the Sampler 04 and 05 releases were listed on their website, but never made it to release. One or two tracks ended up on Sampler 06, but most didn't. I think there were a couple of Supply Module releases on Zero 71 that also didn't make it.

(whatever happened to Zero 71 by the way, they were amazing)

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(whatever happened to Zero 71 by the way, they were amazing)

They are interested in different sounds now, I guess. https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/label/1845646-Moving-Rhythms

ah cool. what i loved about their old label was the way they did crazy experimental stuff as well as straight up hardcore / breakcore. so not surprised they seem to be largely following the same ethos, just not quite as intense styles :)

Robbers (from Supply Module) does gabber sets also a bit regulary again

I'm reporting this excellent production, but it was only released in promo copy

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/it/release/1280291-Brainkiller-2-vs-SWAT-Gold-EP

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I think the Fucking Hardcore CDs always had a few exclusive tracks by design, so they may not have had a release planned. Maybe to encourage people to buy the CDs even if they had all the Mokum vinyl releases? Some of them are pretty cool too, my favourite by far is "Techno-Logical Headbang" by Spoetnik, which I think surely must be the only gabber track in existence in 3/4 time...it's a gabber waltz!

I am also delighted to learn of DJ Gordon as well - mostly in his choice of DJ name. I suppose it works better in the Dutch scene, because in Scotland you had Gordon Tennant, Gordon Anderson out of Q-Tex, plus DJ ZBD and The Doctor (also Gordons). But "DJ Gordon" is also just such a wonderfully prosaic DJ name. Up there with "DJ Norman".

I suppose it is also possible he was d with Mokum just as a DJ - and especially for someone who's up & coming, that might be the best credit to put on a flyer. I'm assuming any tunes he made would have been with Maurice / Wicked XXX...and so would probably have ended up on H20H after Mokum fell apart.

My contribution to this topic would be a test press I actually have:

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/11190390-DJ-Elevation-Future-Vision-EP

I have mentioned this before on here - it's a test press for a release on Scottish label Breeze, Storm's sister label for more fun/ bouncy hardcore. Although this was apparently to be released as Breeze Max - a bit harder than the previous Breeze releases, but not quite full on terror like Storm. The copy I have came from the collection of DJ Sass (RIP) - who had a day job working for the main hardcore distributor in the UK (Alphamagic), and also was connected to the Scottish scene (did an EP for Clubscene, and another with Gordon Tennant for his own label).

He also played at Nosebleed, which was in the same area as Storm/Breeze - and in fact I think DJ Elevation my have been a resident? (not sure) I also many years ago had a white label for another Breeze spin-off, a hard trance EP by DJ Fusion on "Cool Breeze". I'd be curious to hear that again. Sadly I suspect the decline of the Scottish scene towards the end of 96, into 97 is most likely what killed these releases off.

I also used to have white labels of the two mysterious final releases on Shoop - not only from Fife as well, but one of them (Shoop 28) is by Mass Energy, who did an excellent EP for another Storm sub-label. I really wish I'd ripped that one - I it being along similar lines to the Unknown Source EP on Shoop (produced by one half of Mass Energy) - fairly experimental and interesting, if lacking a bit on the production side.

The other one was Shoop 501 - a double 12 apparently by Optical Illusion. All I about that was it being more on the techno side. I suspect this was effectively Shoop #27 - not sure why it became Shoop 501?

Both are from 95, when the Scottish rave scene was still going strong - but I think Shoop itself wasn't doing too well. The producer behind their biggest hits (Scott Brown) had left to set up his own label (in part because he hadn't been paid for his releases) - as did Gordon Tennant, and Technosis had also moved over to Scott's labels. And certainly the more underground style of those two final releases would be unlikely to have turned the labels fortunes around if they had made it to a full release!

There was one final Shoop release at the end of 1996 by Peter Piper called "My Generation" - but from what I that was an attempt at a sort of "old skool" revival, unconnected to the original "Shoop" - hence why that one is more of a 93/94 Italo style throwback than hardcore. Although Peter Piper did go on to launch a short lived happy hardcore label called Tiny Tunes - with a hardcore remix of "My Generation" on the first release.

Unrelated but many years ago (around 2004 time) DJ Fusion you mentioned ed me through this saying he was selling his Hardcore if I wanted it. Still not sure if it was his whole collection or if it was stuff he had trimmed from his collection (it was that sort of in between number of about 300 which could count as a small collection, or excess from someone with a large collection trimming down).

I went through to where he worked, Richer Sounds in Dunfermline and he showed me the collection - it was sitting in the back of the store. He was fair with price. Collection had a few Deathchants, some stuff on Force Inc, Hard Sequencer tunes on FIRE, some stuff on Rotterdam Records ... was an interesting collection - not big anthems or anything, it was a distinctive style he was into.

To be honest, I would assume that any hardcore DJ from Scotland or nearby who sold their records in the 00s, there's a reasonable chance it was to you :D

So am I right in thinking that Fusion & Elevation were Nosebleed residents? I don't think I've heard any of their sets but I haven't heard as many Nosebleed tapes as you I'm sure. Presumably accompanied by MC Loco with a mad echo on the mic! I did just google DJ Fusion Nosebleed and found this: https://soundcloud.com/fusionproject-1/dj-fusion-4-deck-dj-mix-dec - apparently a practise mix for a Nosebleed reunion, but the style is...not what you'd think.

It is interesting how some of those old guys from the 90s are still dabbling in music, but in a different scene or style. Sometimes it's fairly typical - currently the "new releases" bit on my Discogs homepage includes a new trance tune by Gordon Tennant on Davie Forbes' label.

But sometimes it's not what you'd expect. I saw the other day that the guy who did the Unknown Source EP on Shoop (and one half of Mass Energy) made a bit of a name for himself in techno after moving to Shanghai! Also Roddy Graham, one of the most underrated Scottish hardcore producers (Inner Destruction, Audio Code, Force Bubble) has also released a bunch of deep, serious sounding techno.

Although the weirdest is probably Ultimate ST (Ronnie Whittaker), who is now some sort of spiritual life coach type guy with a hilariously shit website: https://ronniewhittaker.blogspot.com/

My favourite is Timothy Thompson - aka Sonar Zone, who has an amazingly over the top profile on here: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/artist/38913-Sonar-Zone - I like the implication that it was greatly unfair that his old releases didn't make him a household name, as if his 2 EPs on Evolution Gold aren't the worst on the label :D

And back on topic - crying shame that this didn't get a proper release: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/1566319-ZMOK-Kanker

Crying out for a reissue (as are his releases on Digital Overkill and Hippo, to be honest!)

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To be honest, I would assume that any hardcore DJ from Scotland or nearby who sold their records in the 00s, there's a reasonable chance it was to you :D

So am I right in thinking that Fusion & Elevation were Nosebleed residents? I don't think I've heard any of their sets but I haven't heard as many Nosebleed tapes as you I'm sure. Presumably accompanied by MC Loco with a mad echo on the mic! I did just google DJ Fusion Nosebleed and found this: https://soundcloud.com/fusionproject-1/dj-fusion-4-deck-dj-mix-dec - apparently a practise mix for a Nosebleed reunion, but the style is...not what you'd think.

Yeah Fusion & Elevation were both residents along with Selector.

I've heard a few Selector sets. Good DJ. Really the only one in Scotland at that time on the Hardcore scene pushing the Hardcore Trance sound from and the UK (usually you'd need to wait on M-Zone or Mark EG getting booked).

Never heard any DJ Elevation sets and the only Fusion sets I've ever heard are ones like the one you posted. Strange sort of Hardstyle/Trance/Techno type stuff. Not really my thing at all.

Even a DJ I really like, Dave Murray, he done a lot of sets on Mixcloud for the Nosebleed reunions around the same time and most of them were the same. Techno/Trance, newer sounding stuff.

I think Jackhammer was a Nosebleed resident too but only heard one Scottish set from him (I ed it to Mixcloud a few years ago) and a couple of Deathrow Techno ones.

CalabriaTechnoNation
I'm reporting this excellent production, but it was only released in promo copy

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/it/release/1280291-Brainkiller-2-vs-SWAT-Gold-EP

Don't think it's a promo but intended to be without info. Happy owner tho :)

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And back on topic - crying shame that this didn't get a proper release: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/1566319-ZMOK-Kanker

Crying out for a reissue (as are his releases on Digital Overkill and Hippo, to be honest!)

Doubt he will ever do so... He was already suprised when I messaged him about his music. But he is busy with other things + why do people want represses of records that have a certain value/status due to the in accesibility.

I'm sure that's the case for most people who made a few records back in the 90s, especially ones that were relatively obscure at the time. I hearing similar when someone in the UK tracked down Robin Wagner a few years ago, he had no idea how beloved his releases were here.

Then again I do someone on the Back To The Oldskool forum tracking down Ron Wells, who was a hugely prolific engineer behind countless UK releases from the 90s - he started out surprised anyone ed his music (and horrified people with tales of throwing vinyl and DATs in the rubbish at the end of the 90s :D) But he eventually came around, and not only embraced his legacy but even ended up moving back into making music (i think full time even!). So who knows?

But yes, unlikely :D

-NeedleTeeth-
why do people want represses of records that have a certain value/status due to the in accesibility.

because most people are more interested in the actual music instead of fetishizing rarity? i mean any track that has status due to inaccessibility is surely not that strong.

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I'm sure that's the case for most people who made a few records back in the 90s, especially ones that were relatively obscure at the time. I hearing similar when someone in the UK tracked down Robin Wagner a few years ago, he had no idea how beloved his releases were here.

Then again I do someone on the Back To The Oldskool forum tracking down Ron Wells, who was a hugely prolific engineer behind countless UK releases from the 90s - he started out surprised anyone ed his music (and horrified people with tales of throwing vinyl and DATs in the rubbish at the end of the 90s :D) But he eventually came around, and not only embraced his legacy but even ended up moving back into making music (i think full time even!). So who knows?

But yes, unlikely :D

-NeedleTeeth-why do people want represses of records that have a certain value/status due to the in accesibility.

because most people are more interested in the actual music instead of fetishizing rarity? i mean any track that has status due to inaccessibility is surely not that strong.

Well he made more music ad can b3 found here. Also a bunch which isn't linked correctly but I believe he likes that as he doesn't want names to be connected in a way?
He is still in the music industry even.

Yea I know... But for me it takes away part of the collecting fun. Hence I am not that fond of represses also... + usually new artwork sucks or ut features new re/mixes which add 0 to none imo.

I have been trying to track down R. Wagner for years... Even before my post.

well, represses don't change how rare an original is. and they can even be an improvement sometimes...for years one of my all time greatest wants was the Headware EP on Weird Beard, Martin Damm's best (and most obscure) old release. when I eventually got it, a few months later the label Parallax announced they were repressing it. I know some would find that annoying - but I was very happy: sold my original and got a repress that sounded better and had cool new artwork.

mind you that's in a genre where you have labels that take care over quality represses, not cramming 6 tunes per side on an ugly picture disc :D (although not every label...I genuinely did get one that had a Windows alert sound half way through one of the tunes. On the VINYL.)

but even if you don't want any represses - it can be a good opportunity to get an original press from people replacing theirs!

not to mention - sometimes the reissue ends up being the first time the original artist actually gets paid :)

-NeedleTeeth-
I have been trying to track down R. Wagner for years... Even before my post.

i think he even posted on here, after he was tracked down for that one off gig in the UK...i think he even said he'd been making new music (not hardcore though). But then of course he "disappeared" again.

mind you i can definitely understand artists just enjoying making music for themselves - that definitely seems a lot more fun than the business of actually releasing it...

Trawling through my reviews and having an interest in the subject:

Industrial Strength Europe
Lenny Dee and DJ Jappo - I Adore
Nico and Tetta vs. Jappo - Fuckin Rollin
Unexist - Unexist Will Break Your Face

From a DJ Smurf interview
RYAN CAMPBELL, TECHNOTRANCE & DJ SMURF - Judgement Day Sampler Volume 1 (UK, Judgement Day Records)
This include the 'Shitter' track Ive been playing for a while, Beavis & Butthead 'diahorea' rapping, lots of farts, and shitting sounds.

SMURF v UEP (UK, Crapshoot)
ME v the GGMs DJ UEP, my track full of perverted sounds and rude noises.
2 trax from Me on Double LP on SURBURBAN TRASH RECORDS , (NOIZECREATORS new label)

In Progress:
REDHEAD V BLUHEAD
(LOFTGROOVER V SMURF) (REDHEAD RECORDS UK)

Remix of DJ FREAKS 'Romper Stomper'

THE FEELGOOD FINGERS EP feat, gabba mixes of YMCA.

From a DJ Freak interview
Evo Part 2 EP
Industrial Strength EP
Killout (2 tracks on double compilation)
Tank Source 2 (Picture Disc) - Killout
Crapshoot Records EP (1 track on CD compilation)
Crapshoot Records mixed CD

Evolution Records had a Hardcore Hell 3 planned and there's a Daydream remix of Kinetic Pleasure - Higher collecting dust at Daydream's house I guess.

I know Chosen Few completed a remix of Elementz Of Danger by Predator which I believe was for a H2OH release that never happened.

There's the Virus record that was set to come out on Cenobite, white labels were pressed, but then the label folded. It eventually came out on MOH. I somebody ed the artwork jpg for that Cenobite release on the old Underground Culture forum. I should have ed it.

XXX Rated
XXX 1008: Two Deejays - Are Rockin' (1998) Probably the Tiesto and DJ Yves thing

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/8399480-Spellbound-Mikey-Turn-It-Up-EP
Tracks have been released on mp3

I a long time ago Spellbound saying there was a Positive Force record that was suppose to come out and is probably the missing 6th release on Cen Cor Records. Also in the late 90's I Spellbound spinning a mysterious 10 inch white label with a big Public Enemy sample. It was suppose to be the 5th release on Execution Records.
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/32083173-Spellbound-Mikey-Hardcore-Will-Never-Die-Haze-Timewarp-Mix

I'm sure he can fill in the details, but I believe there was suppose to be Painbringer record on Mokum in 2012 I think, I seeing the artwork. His remix of Tranceparant is excellent.

There were plans for a second release on Regulator Records by 911 and Tymez 2. They had made tracks called Bounce Y'All and Yo 911, Hey Tymez 2, but the 1st release didn't do great.

Paul Holden - Good Fun
In a Paul Holden interview he mentions both Kniteforce and United Dance were interested in releasing it, but in the end it never came out.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/74245-Brisk-MCed-By-Storm-Come-And-Have-A-Go-If-You-Think-Youre-Hardcore
According to the Mixmag write up, both Real God and I Wanna Rock (VIP Mix) were suppose to come out on Next Generation Records but never did. Real God did get mp3-ed in 2008.

In the late 1990's, there was suppose to be a sub-label of Widerstand Records called Reek Records and its first release would be a seven inch vinyl limited to 100 copies.

I a long time ago George Vagas saying he was going to do a follow up to Hyperdome Experience. He set up Electric Torture Records and had a track called Xpress Elevator To Hell. I guess that stuff ended up on here:
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/artist/118316-Evil-Force
More speculation than anything. Their live act was at some big Thunderdome/ID&T parties. I always got the impression they were on the verge of a record release and they were getting big exposure at these parties. They had 5-10 tracks made, I wonder if they were casualties of ID&T closing down many of their Hardcore labels?

Freakos
Also, there was a Drokz vinyl planned on Epileptik, which was only issued as white label but the label ceased to exist before the actual relase : https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/1083939-Drokz-Untitled

Yes. Some of those tracks are also on an EPK Compilation CD, "Chemical Terror", in 2006.
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/686101-Various-Chemical-Terror

A lot of the other tracks on the CD are also exclusive to that CD.
Perhaps they were also planned, but never released, EPs?

I Akira playing the tracks of Drokz' EP on a party in 2006. Good times.

Aussie Records
AS 006: MC DROKZ - WAR ON DROKZ

Bzrk Records
BZRK 025: DJ E-RICK & TACTIC - The Magic Word (1998)

Disturbance Records 3???
DIST 003: ASYLUM SEEKER
(12" Vinyl)

A1: NUFFINK ELSE
A2: CUTTING EDGE
B1: WITCHCRAFT
B2: PARANOIA
Maybe a couple of tracks off this? https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/master/530067-Jaseion-Mendez-At-No-Mercy

Evolution Records 35: Scott Brown - Heaven Above (1998)
Thought it was a mistake with Heaven's Gate, but it's not.

2Styliztik
Aussie Records
AS 006: MC DROKZ - WAR ON DROKZ

Bzrk Records
BZRK 025: DJ E-RICK & TACTIC - The Magic Word (1998)

Disturbance Records 3???
DIST 003: ASYLUM SEEKER
(12" Vinyl)

A1: NUFFINK ELSE
A2: CUTTING EDGE
B1: WITCHCRAFT
B2: PARANOIA
Maybe a couple of tracks off this? https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/master/530067-Jaseion-Mendez-At-No-Mercy

Evolution Records 35: Scott Brown - Heaven Above (1998)
Thought it was a mistake with Heaven's Gate, but it's not.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/master/3136587-Asylum-MD-Untitled

Samebthing. Probaly the same.

2Styliztik
Trawling through my reviews and having an interest in the subject:

Industrial Strength Europe
Lenny Dee and DJ Jappo - I Adore
Nico and Tetta vs. Jappo - Fuckin Rollin
Unexist - Unexist Will Break Your Face

From a DJ Smurf interview
RYAN CAMPBELL, TECHNOTRANCE & DJ SMURF - Judgement Day Sampler Volume 1 (UK, Judgement Day Records)
This include the 'Shitter' track Ive been playing for a while, Beavis & Butthead 'diahorea' rapping, lots of farts, and shitting sounds.

SMURF v UEP (UK, Crapshoot)
ME v the GGMs DJ UEP, my track full of perverted sounds and rude noises.
2 trax from Me on Double LP on SURBURBAN TRASH RECORDS , (NOIZECREATORS new label)

In Progress:
REDHEAD V BLUHEAD
(LOFTGROOVER V SMURF) (REDHEAD RECORDS UK)

Remix of DJ FREAKS 'Romper Stomper'

THE FEELGOOD FINGERS EP feat, gabba mixes of YMCA.

From a DJ Freak interview
Evo Part 2 EP
Industrial Strength EP
Killout (2 tracks on double compilation)
Tank Source 2 (Picture Disc) - Killout
Crapshoot Records EP (1 track on CD compilation)
Crapshoot Records mixed CD

Evolution Records had a Hardcore Hell 3 planned and there's a Daydream remix of Kinetic Pleasure - Higher collecting dust at Daydream's house I guess.

I know Chosen Few completed a remix of Elementz Of Danger by Predator which I believe was for a H2OH release that never happened.

There's the Virus record that was set to come out on Cenobite, white labels were pressed, but then the label folded. It eventually came out on MOH. I somebody ed the artwork jpg for that Cenobite release on the old Underground Culture forum. I should have ed it.

XXX Rated
XXX 1008: Two Deejays - Are Rockin' (1998) Probably the Tiesto and DJ Yves thing

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/8399480-Spellbound-Mikey-Turn-It-Up-EP
Tracks have been released on mp3

I a long time ago Spellbound saying there was a Positive Force record that was suppose to come out and is probably the missing 6th release on Cen Cor Records. Also in the late 90's I Spellbound spinning a mysterious 10 inch white label with a big Public Enemy sample. It was suppose to be the 5th release on Execution Records.
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/32083173-Spellbound-Mikey-Hardcore-Will-Never-Die-Haze-Timewarp-Mix

I'm sure he can fill in the details, but I believe there was suppose to be Painbringer record on Mokum in 2012 I think, I seeing the artwork. His remix of Tranceparant is excellent.

There were plans for a second release on Regulator Records by 911 and Tymez 2. They had made tracks called Bounce Y'All and Yo 911, Hey Tymez 2, but the 1st release didn't do great.

Paul Holden - Good Fun
In a Paul Holden interview he mentions both Kniteforce and United Dance were interested in releasing it, but in the end it never came out.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/74245-Brisk-MCed-By-Storm-Come-And-Have-A-Go-If-You-Think-Youre-Hardcore
According to the Mixmag write up, both Real God and I Wanna Rock (VIP Mix) were suppose to come out on Next Generation Records but never did. Real God did get mp3-ed in 2008.

In the late 1990's, there was suppose to be a sub-label of Widerstand Records called Reek Records and its first release would be a seven inch vinyl limited to 100 copies.

I a long time ago George Vagas saying he was going to do a follow up to Hyperdome Experience. He set up Electric Torture Records and had a track called Xpress Elevator To Hell. I guess that stuff ended up on here:
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/artist/118316-Evil-Force
More speculation than anything. Their live act was at some big Thunderdome/ID&T parties. I always got the impression they were on the verge of a record release and they were getting big exposure at these parties. They had 5-10 tracks made, I wonder if they were casualties of ID&T closing down many of their Hardcore labels?

2Styliztik
Trawling through my reviews and having an interest in the subject:

Industrial Strength Europe
Lenny Dee and DJ Jappo - I Adore
Nico and Tetta vs. Jappo - Fuckin Rollin
Unexist - Unexist Will Break Your Face

From a DJ Smurf interview
RYAN CAMPBELL, TECHNOTRANCE & DJ SMURF - Judgement Day Sampler Volume 1 (UK, Judgement Day Records)
This include the 'Shitter' track Ive been playing for a while, Beavis & Butthead 'diahorea' rapping, lots of farts, and shitting sounds.

SMURF v UEP (UK, Crapshoot)
ME v the GGMs DJ UEP, my track full of perverted sounds and rude noises.
2 trax from Me on Double LP on SURBURBAN TRASH RECORDS , (NOIZECREATORS new label)

In Progress:
REDHEAD V BLUHEAD
(LOFTGROOVER V SMURF) (REDHEAD RECORDS UK)

Remix of DJ FREAKS 'Romper Stomper'

THE FEELGOOD FINGERS EP feat, gabba mixes of YMCA.

From a DJ Freak interview
Evo Part 2 EP
Industrial Strength EP
Killout (2 tracks on double compilation)
Tank Source 2 (Picture Disc) - Killout
Crapshoot Records EP (1 track on CD compilation)
Crapshoot Records mixed CD

Evolution Records had a Hardcore Hell 3 planned and there's a Daydream remix of Kinetic Pleasure - Higher collecting dust at Daydream's house I guess.

I know Chosen Few completed a remix of Elementz Of Danger by Predator which I believe was for a H2OH release that never happened.

There's the Virus record that was set to come out on Cenobite, white labels were pressed, but then the label folded. It eventually came out on MOH. I somebody ed the artwork jpg for that Cenobite release on the old Underground Culture forum. I should have ed it.

XXX Rated
XXX 1008: Two Deejays - Are Rockin' (1998) Probably the Tiesto and DJ Yves thing

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/8399480-Spellbound-Mikey-Turn-It-Up-EP
Tracks have been released on mp3

I a long time ago Spellbound saying there was a Positive Force record that was suppose to come out and is probably the missing 6th release on Cen Cor Records. Also in the late 90's I Spellbound spinning a mysterious 10 inch white label with a big Public Enemy sample. It was suppose to be the 5th release on Execution Records.
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/32083173-Spellbound-Mikey-Hardcore-Will-Never-Die-Haze-Timewarp-Mix

I'm sure he can fill in the details, but I believe there was suppose to be Painbringer record on Mokum in 2012 I think, I seeing the artwork. His remix of Tranceparant is excellent.

There were plans for a second release on Regulator Records by 911 and Tymez 2. They had made tracks called Bounce Y'All and Yo 911, Hey Tymez 2, but the 1st release didn't do great.

Paul Holden - Good Fun
In a Paul Holden interview he mentions both Kniteforce and United Dance were interested in releasing it, but in the end it never came out.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/74245-Brisk-MCed-By-Storm-Come-And-Have-A-Go-If-You-Think-Youre-Hardcore
According to the Mixmag write up, both Real God and I Wanna Rock (VIP Mix) were suppose to come out on Next Generation Records but never did. Real God did get mp3-ed in 2008.

In the late 1990's, there was suppose to be a sub-label of Widerstand Records called Reek Records and its first release would be a seven inch vinyl limited to 100 copies.

I a long time ago George Vagas saying he was going to do a follow up to Hyperdome Experience. He set up Electric Torture Records and had a track called Xpress Elevator To Hell. I guess that stuff ended up on here:
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/artist/118316-Evil-Force
More speculation than anything. Their live act was at some big Thunderdome/ID&T parties. I always got the impression they were on the verge of a record release and they were getting big exposure at these parties. They had 5-10 tracks made, I wonder if they were casualties of ID&T closing down many of their Hardcore labels?

BreK your face by unecist is on TTM :)

Just ed that there are three releases on Trashcan that are only available on digital, presumably scheduled for release before the label was rebranded into Junkyard:

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/10072626-DJ-Vortex-Burning-Floors

The last 2 are fairly meh but the Enfusia EP is amazing - produced by Aldwin Oomen - who also released on Babyboom as Boombastic & Mister DJ. In particular "Friction" is prime Dutch happy hardcore, with the piano from "The Rush" by DJ Excel (also the same piano that inspired "Kiss My Arse Seduction" by Scudder!). "Hootiemack" is a remix of an earlier Enfusia track, which samples Vanilla Ice rapping about smoking weed :D

Although as good as it is, it was also fairly out of step for hardcore in 1997. Same story as many of the aborted ID&T releases from around that time. I know sometimes people say it was because hardcore was getting less popular - but I don't think that's quite true. Hardcore was still big, but it was time for newstyle.

2Styliztik
From a DJ Smurf interview
RYAN CAMPBELL, TECHNOTRANCE & DJ SMURF - Judgement Day Sampler Volume 1 (UK, Judgement Day Records)

When Bass Generator started selling MP3s of all their old releases about 10+ years ago, it included tracks for quite a few releases that never made it to vinyl. Both gabber and bouncy/happy stuff. Including a few remixes (I a decent Scott Brown remix of "Violator" by Genetik) - and also some tunes that Neurotek had for their live PA. I know you can get those ones direct from Neurotek, although I personally wouldn't want to give that dude any money...

2Styliztik
From a DJ Freak interview

And DJ Freak inspired Lenny Dee to commission a full EP of diss tracks by DOA:
http://soundcloud.com/strych920/01-turn-that-shit-off-doa-mix
https://soundcloud.com/strych920/02-tank-source-annihilation
https://soundcloud.com/strych920/03-ya-muthas-ass-mix-feat

(although #2 is basically just "No Reason For Sympathy" by UVC with a different intro)

I love how over the top this is too. Because DJ Freak's track literally just samples Lenny Dee's name, no other context - it's not even an insult. And yet DOA's response is "hey Tank Source, this is what your mother sounds like when I fuck her in the ass!!" :D

Also found this: https://soundcloud.com/strych920/close-to-the-edge-not-on-e-p - bonus track intended for the first UVC release. Doesn't really fit with the others, so I can see why they left it off - but shame it didn't make it to a different release. Reminds me a bit of the slower Nukom tracks, or the Overlords EP on Ruff Beats.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/74245-Brisk-MCed-By-Storm-Come-And-Have-A-Go-If-You-Think-Youre-Hardcore
According to the Mixmag write up, both Real God and I Wanna Rock (VIP Mix) were suppose to come out on Next Generation Records but never did. Real God did get mp3-ed in 2008.

The VIP of "I Wanna Rock" is from 1998 - appears on the Brisk mix here: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/591831-Vibes-Force-Styles-Brisk-DJ-Sy-Masters-Work-Volume-iii-Dance-Energy - and I'm pretty sure you could get an MP3 at some point. Ditto the "Skeltercore" VIP of "Hardcore Vibes" (which is an absolute belter).

(that album is an interesting representation of UK hardcore as it was by the end of 98, about to enter near-terminal decline - because you have amazing tunes that go beyond the usual "happy" template like "Dark Zone", the remix of "Freedom to Dance", or "Spiritual Dawn" - however you also have milquetoast atrocities like Darren Styles singing out of key over an acoustic guitar on "Higher Ground". Maybe it's nostalgia - I would have been 14 when that came out and DJ Brisk was basically God to me then. (To be fair, not saying that's really changed!) But looking back it does seem like a sign that the genre had more potential...)

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although I personally wouldn't want to give that dude any money...

He went to prison recently for raping someone in a hotel room with a dildo did he not? lolololol

It was in the local newspapers.

Also where did the heat from Lenny Dee and DJ Freak stem from?

yeah. and i when the news came up on the USH facebook group, some of the northern/midlands guys who'd met him saying they weren't surprised, or something to that effect, which says a lot :D

John_Galbraith
Also where did the heat from Lenny Dee and DJ Freak stem from?

absolutely nothing...Freak explained it on here years ago when those tunes appeared on Soundcloud - said that Lenny told him about them at some point later in the 90s, but he'd only heard one. This is the tune that inspired it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-O3AU2rMQ - that's what I mean, it is literally just sample saying his name. But Lenny was confused and just assumed it was an insult, and decided to fire back. Even then I doubt he thought it was *serious* - more just in the same spirit as P and Rotterdam slagging each other off in tunes. I don't think he was expecting Freak to be delighted by it, which he was :D

There was also an EP on Freak's label called "Fuck Lenny Dee" - but apparently that was just a joke too, just because it was some tunes Lenny had turned down for a release.

Also - Lenny Dee might be the one person across the whole rave scene that I've heard the most stories about how much of a ridiculously sound person he is. Not just hardcore heads (who might already look up to him), but even people from other scenes who didn't really know who he was. I someone telling me they met him at an illegal techno squat rave in London one Sunday morning and spent an hour chatting away to him, no idea he was this big international DJ :D

Years ago, my mate Rhod used to help out some promoters he knew, as a driver, and sometimes was able to give out spare plus ones that DJs weren't using. Like I went to Nightmare in Rotterdam in 2008 for free as Producer's +1 :) Anyway once he had to drive Lenny Dee to some Slammin Vinyl thing that he had a spare for, which led to my mate Griff going along with him. And for honestly weeks afterwards he was just full of stories about what a lovely dude he was, and how much fun he was to hang out with.

Not saying that there haven't been people who've had problems with him, but he doesn't sound like someone who has much real heat with anyone. Although you never know.

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but he doesn't sound like someone who has much real heat with anyone. Although you never know.

Apart from Mark N wanting to decorate his Sydney studio with him for non-payment of royalties on Industrial Strength :D

I think anyway. Who knows the story there. There seems to be a lot of stories about these old producer/label money disputes. I genuinely tend to just think there's serious miscommunication with this stuff and some folk (perhaps folk that should know better?) maybe think they are owed a genuine fortune when truth be told there's never been that mainstream mega money in Hardcore, especially in the 90's.

i heard that he did get paid years later? hence the represses? i suppose that would at least be more than he got from some of the other labels that released his stuff...

there is also a comment on here from DJ Jackhammer saying that Mark N's claims about not getting paid for the Storm release weren't true, so who knows the reality.

John_Galbraith
There seems to be a lot of stories about these old producer/label money disputes.

the music industry is notoriously full of shady cunts though, so there legitimately are also people who've made nothing from tunes that sold tens of thousands of copies. and I've even seen the odd comment on here on releases from the 90s, saying one of the tunes was a demo they sent to a label, who then released it as a tune by the label owner.

there's also more sneaky tactics - for example, if you look at the credits on most Hardcore Blasters releases, it says "written by Isomen" - aka the guy who runs the label. Which is a way of getting the publishing rights - so when the track is licensed for a CD, he gets the money.

so i think it's often less people thinking they're owed thousands - and more people who've had someone dodgy offer them a few hundred quid, which they haven't paid up. and even if it's not a lot of money it's still the principle that's annoying.

that being said - I'm sure sometimes it's just artists being young and not business minded. I think there's plenty of guys who signed tunes away for a few quid, just happy to get a record out - who then regretted it later when it sold lots of copies. I heard Force Mass Motion say essentially that about "Panic", but he was like 18 or 19 when he made it and wasn't thinking about it as a job.

Maybe the best response is DJ Hidden who released his own album entirely made of tracks he made for other labels who didn't pay the money they promised him: https://djhidden.bandcamp.com/album/p-l-a-y-l-i-s-t -

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that being said - I'm sure sometimes it's just artists being young and not business minded. I think there's plenty of guys who signed tunes away for a few quid, just happy to get a record out - who then regretted it later when it sold lots of copies. I heard Force Mass Motion say essentially that about "Panic", but he was like 18 or 19 when he made it and wasn't thinking about it as a job.

Aye that's more what I was meaning, though I don't think that would have applied to Mark N/Nasenbluten.

You're right Needleteeth, that Unexist release did come out on TTM, and I do mention it in my review too. :) It was scheduled for release in 2002, sat on Unexist's computer (probably the DAT collecting dust) for two years before handing it over to Promo.

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The VIP of "I Wanna Rock" is from 1998 - appears on the Brisk mix here: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/591831-Vibes-Force-Styles-Brisk-DJ-Sy-Masters-Work-Volume-iii-Dance-Energy - and I'm pretty sure you could get an MP3 at some point. Ditto the "Skeltercore" VIP of "Hardcore Vibes" (which is an absolute belter).

(that album is an interesting representation of UK hardcore as it was by the end of 98, about to enter near-terminal decline - because you have amazing tunes that go beyond the usual "happy" template like "Dark Zone", the remix of "Freedom to Dance", or "Spiritual Dawn" - however you also have milquetoast atrocities like Darren Styles singing out of key over an acoustic guitar on "Higher Ground". Maybe it's nostalgia - I would have been 14 when that came out and DJ Brisk was basically God to me then. (To be fair, not saying that's really changed!) But looking back it does seem like a sign that the genre had more potential...)

Well that's interesting. So it was made in 1998, who knows how often Brisk played it in 1998. Forgotten about, 4 years later, played on a fairly well known Mixmag CD for imminent release and it never happens. Poor VIP remix. :) Always liked it and the original. That CD looks like its mostly filled with cheese, but that DJ Sy mix does look like it's worth a listen. I don't think you're the only one, I think Brisk is a mixing God, he actually makes MC Connie sound good! If that's not a miracle, I don't know what is!

Oh dear, I think I'll stop playing any Neurotek tracks from now on.....

More speculation, probably Mark can debunk this.
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/368111-Paulblackout-Desolate-Ways
It came out two months after Bloody Fist closed down, I wonder if it was any chance to be FIST36?

both the Sy and Brisk mixes on that are truly amazing. Almost forgot "U R Da One" at the very start, that's another one with a bit of substance to it. there's a nice surprise at the end of Vibes's mix too, the last tune is a bit of a bouncy throwback: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c28aILJwuyw (be warned, clip features MC Livelee)

I don't think there were any plans to actually release that I Wanna Rock VIP out in 2002...I think he was just playing it on sets and put it on that CD knowing it was being given away with a magazine.

2Styliztik
I don't think you're the only one, I think Brisk is a mixing God, he actually makes MC Connie sound good! If that's not a miracle, I don't know what is!

i like Connie, he was always on my shortlist of "MCs that are somewhat tolerable". there's far worse, put it that way :D

As great a mixer as he is, I mostly love Brisk for being the main person keeping the "rave music" element of happy hardcore intact, alongside the cheese. Especially in the late 90s when other people were trying to slow it down, tone down the kicks and generally make it more bland.

I know many people hate the more over the top cheese, but I will take that over bland fluff any day. For example - I will always love "Toy Town" - but I hate "Heart Of Gold" with a ion. (except the Jon Doe bootleg remix that is - which apparently made Force & Styles so angry when they heard it at a rave, that they threatened to pull their label from the distributor if it was released. and who was the DJ who played it? Brisk of course!)

same goes for the post 2000s scene in fact - I weirdly having a chat with him one night on MSN messenger (so this was a LONG time ago :D) about his frustration... because hardcore was the scene he'd built his name in, and he'd tried to balance his own tastes with what was popular and at least play stuff he liked...but at the time those two things were just drifting too far apart.

I did once see him play B2B with Teknoist at Bangface though, which was amazing :D

2Styliztik
It came out two months after Bloody Fist closed down, I wonder if it was any chance to be FIST36?

from what I - Bloody Fist's end seems like it was a bit more planned out, they didn't just keep going until they ran out of money or enthusiasm (as with many smaller labels). Hence having "Parting Shot" as the final release.

although i think it might have ended in that manner a couple of years before if that Manhunt commercial didn't happen.

Regards conversations with Brisk, I was critical of him about a couple of things (can't even what it was, probably new releases of his during the time Hardcore was tits-up) and he actually took the time to reply to me and he was so nice and saying he respects my opinion etc etc and because he was so sweet, it made me feel bad for criticising him in the first place - I told him this and again he was like "don't feel bad etc" - just an all-round nice guy.

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I don't think there were any plans to actually release that I Wanna Rock VIP out in 2002...I think he was just playing it on sets and put it on that CD knowing it was being given away with a magazine.

https://imgur.com/a/zv5P4Q6

Great topic and many thanks to the contributors. Lots of info I didn't know.

In the booklet of the cd A Dance Ecstasy 2001 Compilation there is a list with releases.

DE 2015 Headshop
DE 2016 Killerloops
DE 2017 T-Bone Castro
DE 2018 2 Sick (feat. Lenny Dee)
DE 2019 Nasty Django
DE 2020 303 Nation

DE 3001 303 Nation - Strobe Jams I & II (DOEP)
DE 3002 The Dark Age (DOEP)

Any info about Killerloops and 2 Sick?

Maybe 303 Nation - Strobe Jams I & II was supposed to be a double EP (?).

The Dark Age is mentioned on Frankfurt Trax Volume 3 (The House Of Phuture):
C1: Taken from a concept called "Light Bringer". The 2nd Coming will be also soon available on "The Dark Age" series.

RuffEd
Any info about Killerloops and 2 Sick?

You know - that has me thinking. There is of course already a Killer Loops track on Frankfurt Trax 3, called "Murder One" - which is honestly one of my absolute favourite early P tracks (also pretty sure the breakbeat was sampled both for "Verotted" and "Concrete Compressor")

But there is also the alternate white label version of that album, "See Ya In 2017", with 3 unidentified tracks. One of those (B2) is a classic 92-style breakbeat track - much like "Murder One".

Obviously this stands out on P, even compared to the few other breakbeat tracks, which were generally a lot weirder (like The Possessed). So...I think there's a good chance that mystery B2 track was also intended for the Killerloops EP.

Also makes sense as to why it didn't get released, as it doesn't really fit with the general direction of the label (not to mention, by the time DE2016 came out in 1993 breakbeat hardcore had changed quite a bit!)

DJ-Merlin
The BZRK CrazyCutz Volume 2 double album gives some insight in the plans they had with the Bzrk Black label. Things got pretty messy there in the end. 006 (Brooklyn Boyz) and 009 (Devious) were released as white label, 007 (Promo) appeared in different versions, but 008 (Arjuna) and 010 (Mike Ink's Lovely Ugly Brutal World remixes and original) never saw the light of day.

If you scroll down for the review, it appears things could have gotten messier!
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/135267-The-Mindcrimers-Man-EP

Speaking of Buzz Fuzz, I found this recently from 1997, in Dutch:

Wat kunnen we binnenkort allemaal gaan verwachten?

Een nieuw label: Dreamteam Projects. Elke release zal worden gemaakt door leden van het Dreamteam, samen met andere producers. Op de eerste, 'Born To Fuck Your Wife', doet Rob Gee mee. Er komt ook weer een nieuwe Dreamteam-cd aan. Er staan weer drie tracks op van ieder lid, plus een opname van een live-optreden uit 1992 wat we toen toevallig opgenomen hadden, en wat nog nooit uitgebracht is.

here's one from I think 97/98 that did eventually get a vinyl press in 2021: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/19236877-DJ-Psycangle-Once-Again-For-The-First-Time

The 2 A side tracks were listed as Malice 9 when Luna C released the full KF discography on digital - so it was erroneously added as a white label on here at one point. I do think they're both decent tracks, although I can see why they might not work for some, they definitely feel more like a happy hardcore producer doing something a bit harder, rather than full on gabber.

Not so keen on the B side tracks, which are much more recent productions.

2Styliztik
The first one, 'Born To Fuck Your Wife', features Rob Gee

don't think we missed much there, somehow a lot worse than I was expecting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grd9RRpPAKA - apparently featuring DJ Narotic too!

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You know - that has me thinking. There is of course already a Killer Loops track on Frankfurt Trax 3, called "Murder One" - which is honestly one of my absolute favourite early P tracks (also pretty sure the breakbeat was sampled both for "Verotted" and "Concrete Compressor")

But there is also the alternate white label version of that album, "See Ya In 2017", with 3 unidentified tracks. One of those (B2) is a classic 92-style breakbeat track - much like "Murder One".

Obviously this stands out on P, even compared to the few other breakbeat tracks, which were generally a lot weirder (like The Possessed). So...I think there's a good chance that mystery B2 track was also intended for the Killerloops EP.

Also makes sense as to why it didn't get released, as it doesn't really fit with the general direction of the label (not to mention, by the time DE2016 came out in 1993 breakbeat hardcore had changed quite a bit!)

Interesting thought.

The unknown breakbeat track is a great tune and the complete album is imo a masterpiece.

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here's one from I think 97/98 that did eventually get a vinyl press in 2021: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/19236877-DJ-Psycangle-Once-Again-For-The-First-Time

The 2 A side tracks were listed as Malice 9 when Luna C released the full KF discography on digital - so it was erroneously added as a white label on here at one point. I do think they're both decent tracks, although I can see why they might not work for some, they definitely feel more like a happy hardcore producer doing something a bit harder, rather than full on gabber.

Not so keen on the B side tracks, which are much more recent productions.

2StyliztikThe first one, 'Born To Fuck Your Wife', features Rob Gee

don't think we missed much there, somehow a lot worse than I was expecting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grd9RRpPAKA - apparently featuring DJ Narotic too!

Check This Out is quite good on that Malice release. Sounds like something that could have been on Mokum in 97 time.

Although mentioned in the booklet of the cd Lost 2001 - The Cold Rush Classics 1993-1997 LOST 11 never happened. I wonder which track would be on that record besides Tilt! - System XTC if it did get a release.

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Obviously this stands out on P, even compared to the few other breakbeat tracks, which were generally a lot weirder (like The Possessed). So...I think there's a good chance that mystery B2 track was also intended for the Killerloops EP.

Oh, P had a whole sub-label dedicated to UK / Happy / Breakbeat type stuff called White Breaks.
Maybe the tunes ended up there... but maybe not :-)

Some more from the top of my head:

Widerstand had more releases planned, including an EP by Somatic Responses and the above mentioned compilation LPs
Atmosfear had more releases planned as well - I guess some of these tracks ended up on Current 909's CD Album.

There was an Alec Empire release planned for Fischkopf (!)
Communism Records (a Force Inc sub-label) was supposed to continue, and would have gone into a very hardcore, even speedcore way. There was an release by Alec Empire on that label, using the aka "Testratte", and this was some of the wildest speedcore in 1993.

The Praxis / Ambush / "South London" scene also had some notable unreleased releases.
There were more compilations planned, in the vein of "Paraphysical Cybertronics", and there was supposedly an already finished special release with "oversize" 10+ minute tracks by the likes of Christoph de Babalon. And a never released follow up to "Society of Unknowns".

LowEntropy
Oh, P had a whole sub-label dedicated to UK / Happy / Breakbeat type stuff called White Breaks.
Maybe the tunes ended up there... but maybe not :-)

Very familiar with White Breaks, and I would say probably not. The first two White Breaks by Marc, are heavily sample based releases - to the extent that some of the tracks are essentially mashups, with even the breakbeats directly lifted from other tracks. In a similar spirit to other breakbeat releases like the "Energizer" series. I have a feeling that the name of the label references this - as in "white label" breakbeats, to emphasise the cheeky bootleg nature. Also both of them sound more 93 style: quite fast, with skittery, chopped up breaks.

Whereas both "Murder One" and the untitled track from "See Ya In 2017" are more in the classic 92 style: a bit slower, and with fewer edits on the breaks. And although they have sounds that are quite familiar, there's no big obvious samples either. Maybe a subtle difference, but more obvious if you know old skool breakbeat.

(Also from the looks of it Killerloops wasn't just Marc, but also Atom Heart and the dude who set up Delirium).

And of course this was a time when the music was changing very quickly - in fact I'm sure there are many cancelled or aborted releases from this time for that exact reason. I can certainly think of a few that did get a release, where it's obvious they would have been much bigger if they'd come out a few months before.

Can't believe I forgot this legendary EP: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/5965368-Unknown-Artist-Phase-EP - made famous by DJ Vibes, who played 3 of the tracks at Hardcore Heaven in November 96 (and i think he played the "your loving arms" track a few other times too). Whilst it is pretty standard 95/96 bouncy hardcore, it was at one point my biggest want (partly because it was the only tune in that style i still hadn't found). I was pretty

What makes me sad is - I had already added that to my wantlist, just because it was an Aussie hardcore record from the 90s I hadn't heard yet. But I did know the "your loving arms" tune was probably Aussie, because the only other person I had heard play it, other than Vibes, was DJ Angus (of Adelaide). And Killa Kanga was his label. So i had a faint suspicion...soon proven correct when the person who beat me to it confirmed the ID :(

That DJ Angus radio set has two other unreleased gems - a harder tune sampling Street Fighter by him, and a really cool tune sampling "Purple Haze" by Jimi Hendrix, and somehow sounding way better than it should - both intended for future Killa Kanga releases.

And on the topic of DJ Vibes, there's also this gem from late 96: https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/5086849-Chill-FM-Waves-Of-Time - sadly another victim of the collapse of the Scottish hardcore scene. And it's their best tune too!

Swimming in the waves of time, gonna blow your mind! (ok the lyrics aren't great :D)

LowEntropy
Some more from the top of my head:

Widerstand had more releases planned, including an EP by Somatic Responses and the above mentioned compilation LPs
Atmosfear had more releases planned as well - I guess some of these tracks ended up on Current 909's CD Album.

There was an Alec Empire release planned for Fischkopf (!)
Communism Records (a Force Inc sub-label) was supposed to continue, and would have gone into a very hardcore, even speedcore way. There was an release by Alec Empire on that label, using the aka "Testratte", and this was some of the wildest speedcore in 1993.

The Praxis / Ambush / "South London" scene also had some notable unreleased releases.
There were more compilations planned, in the vein of "Paraphysical Cybertronics", and there was supposedly an already finished special release with "oversize" 10+ minute tracks by the likes of Christoph de Babalon. And a never released follow up to "Society of Unknowns".

Where can we hear that Testratte then? If you say it's some of the wildest speedcore in 93?

-NeedleTeeth-
Where can we hear that Testratte then? If you say it's some of the wildest speedcore in 93?

"wild" because it was something like 400 bpm through and through... quite fast for that time.
there were two tracks, IIRC they were called "Testratte" and "I shoot you in the mouth".
Alec had put them online for listening over 10 years ago... and they are long gone since then.

-NeedleTeeth-
Where can we hear that Testratte then?

you will find one of the tracks on soulseek, i doubt that this was made in 93, sounds more like alec had some '95 outcast clan, freak, total output and similar stuff in the mailbox, and got "inspired" as always. did he ever made something that was not lifted somewhere else and sounded "as if"? and its glocking in at 255bpm. wild.

Can you send it perhaps to me Mario? I ain't on Soulseek...

DJ Tron - Thee Jaded Demented EP (Blood N Guts 004)
1. Haunted Head
2. Straight Jacket
3. Blind Ambition
4. Metamorph

I received the DAT recording of this EP a few years ago. These tracks were definitely made around the time he made his album Chrome Padded Cell. These tracks and 14 others I have of his will be released eventually.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/22736579-Various-Brutal-Chud-Promotional-Tape
There were more releases planned for Brutal Chud. I was lucky enough to buy a copy from Noize Creator. Looks like he currently has another copy for sale.

One that isn't included here is the UK Skullfuck which due to Brutal Chud being on hiatus and/or busy. Which moved to Trackless...

in the hey days of raggacore in the mid2000s, a label from Belgium which released a handful of records breakcore/raggacore(i hate that word, yardcore? speedhall?) offered to release a Geroyche/Zombieflesheater split 12" i was working on tracks for some time and was sending some when i got another one ready but the vibes got more and more strange, till the point when i wrote my splitmate that i want to cancel this release, cause the label guy was on this trip thinking the tracks i send him are always just second choice and i hide the best ones from him... the whitebread thought his is a don haha.
on another label from was a 7" planned in the later 00s but it took me too long to finish something for it that the window closed when the label guy moved to england stopped the label and got into dubstep.... depression doesn't ask for deadlines...

Dj_Arcid
DJ Tron - Thee Jaded Demented EP (Blood N Guts 004)
1. Haunted Head
2. Straight Jacket
3. Blind Ambition
4. Metamorph

I received the DAT recording of this EP a few years ago. These tracks were definitely made around the time he made his album Chrome Padded Cell. These tracks and 14 others I have of his will be released eventually.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/22736579-Various-Brutal-Chud-Promotional-Tape
There were more releases planned for Brutal Chud. I was lucky enough to buy a copy from Noize Creator. Looks like he currently has another copy for sale.

Who will release them? I also recall a BNG demo tape where obly one track got replaced on the actual release later.

-NeedleTeeth-


Who will release them? I also recall a BNG demo tape where obly one track got replaced on the actual release later.

More than likely I'm going to give them to Simon Underground since he's re-releasing some of Tron's old tracks on vinyl later this year or next year.

There is also this one - includes early versions of "Tyrannofuck" and "Brontofuck", as opposed to the remixes that were later released on Mokum.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/85248-DJ-Fistfuck-Untitled

From what I , the differences between the versions on Mokum and the versions on the Mono Tone release were pretty minor. More like when you hear a DJ play a tune before it was released, and the arrangement is slightly different, that sort of thing.

Also worth mentioning that "Little Box" also eventually got a vinyl release on the "Musically Dope" release a few years later. Although that album is unfortunately one of those not-too-DJ-friendly releases that Shockwave specialized in, with too many tracks per side and no gaps between. Better than nothing I guess though!

I was listening to the Hardcore Hell 2 CD mixed by Scott Brown and noticed both Hyperact tracks are played. On the CD the artist name is The Original Hyperact. Makes you wonder if those tracks were intended for Evolution or Twisted Vinyl under that artist name as mentioned on the CD cover. I suppose the Dwarf record may have just come out and Scott was plugging the new record and new music at the time. The same could be applied to Bang The Drums and its appearance on the CD. Then there's Schoppen Trommel. It's only on this CD and the Best Of Twisted, was the track a left over of the Terror Traxx record or were Darrien and Scott thinking of doing a follow up on Twisted Vinyl. It also appears on a similarly titled CD two years later, Hardcore 2 (Hitlist From Hell), sounds like a 5th Gear piss take! All four tracks are not on the Hardcore Hell 2 vinyl, which might be a licensing thing with Combined Forces (or Paul Elstak @ Terror Traxx) at the time. Which would disprove my theory I guess.

There's a Liza N Eliaz interview I posted from 1998, where she talks about a Fukem project being worked on.

Due to non payment by Industrial Strength for their records, Nasenbluten seriously considered doing a special remix of Cuntface dedicated to Lenny Dee. I suppose FIST22 fits into this thread as well.

Copy and paste: In 2000, the fifth release on Thunderdome Records was suppose to be T-Wisted - Come With Me, however this was changed to Dione - Mayhem. It's highly likely that two of the tracks eventually landed on BZRK 030 a year later.

I Hamunaptra from Enzyme Records saying Ruffneck had given him opportunities to release further solo records on Enzyme. But he refused because he wanted to refine and perfect his sound. Based on his Discogs profile, he also had a release on Supreme Intelligence planned.

I a Chosen Few interview from the 2000's where he talks about a planned release on Masters Of Hardcore. I think this was before the Mokum restart.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/376458-DJ-Dano-The-History-Of-Hardcore-The-Dreamteam-Edition-02
The first five tracks by Dano, based on the info in the CD, they were signed to a record label. An aborted release?

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I was listening to the Hardcore Hell 2 CD mixed by Scott Brown and noticed both Hyperact tracks are played. On the CD the artist name is The Original Hyperact. Makes you wonder if those tracks were intended for Evolution or Twisted Vinyl under that artist name as mentioned on the CD cover.

i'm sure he probably wishes he'd kept it for his own label given how popular "My Best Friend" was :D

this is a topic I have thought of mentioning here before - but I do think the actual identity of Hyperact isn't exactly clear.

they had 2 other releases: the Monster Sound EP on Shoop is the other artist EP, but there's also "YRS Stomp / Jimmy Cokehill Experience" on Bass Generator, which is listed as being "the Hyperact mixes". The producer for both of those EPs is Gordon Tennant, I don't think Scott had much to do with it (which i think you can tell from the tracks).

And reading the label for "YRS Stomp"...it's not entirely clear, but the shouts do seem to finish with "Scotland's newest hardcore sensation Hyperact" - followed by 4 names, one of them being Technotrance. To me that suggests that it was originally set up by Technotrance as a band, with him and 3 of his mates - formed due to the Scottish rave scene's weird obsession with the rave band or "live" PA. (Even the first Technosis EP has them as a band with Vince and 3 other people, who then never feature on any subsequent release!).

And whilst Scott is credited on the Dwarf release, it is interesting the label only has

Certainly I don't think Scott (or Gordon) were necessarily of Hyperact as such, it's more that they were just the 2 guys who actually had studios, who helped a lot of other artists make tunes. Much like other early Evolution releases like Deviation Crew, or Renegade & Static - both distinct artists in their own right.

2Styliztik
Then there's Schoppen Trommel. It's only on this CD and the Best Of Twisted, was the track a left over of the Terror Traxx record or were Darrien and Scott thinking of doing a follow up on Twisted Vinyl.

the cool thing about that track is - the sample repeated throughout is "make your own bassdrum"...which comes from the very end of the Neophyte track "A Rotterdam Gabber", which finishes with Neophyte saying "and this is for all the losers who can't make their own bassdrum", followed by a single clean sample of the kick. So it's a fun subversion to then use that sample for a bassdrum focused track...but maybe that's also the reason why it wasn't included on the Terror Traxx release :D

(i'm also curious about the title - because it seems like it might be a deliberately literal Dutch translation of an English term, much like "geleihoofd" - because the direct translation in Google Translate is "kicking drum". which i suspect is not the same as the actual Dutch term for kickdrum? that is just a guess though, i'm sure one of the Dutch speakers on here can set me straight!)

2Styliztik
Then there's Schoppen Trommel. It's only on this CD and the Best Of Twisted, was the track a left over of the Terror Traxx record or were Darrien and Scott thinking of doing a follow up on Twisted Vinyl. It also appears on a similarly titled CD two years later, Hardcore 2 (Hitlist From Hell), sounds like a 5th Gear piss take!

This brings back good memories. I recorded that compilation to cassette and thinking something went completely wrong because Schoppentrommel is recorded way too fast. On 45 rpm instead of 33 I guess. It's on Youtube: Hardcore 2 (Hitlist From Hell).

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(i'm also curious about the title - because it seems like it might be a deliberately literal Dutch translation of an English term, much like "geleihoofd" - because the direct translation in Google Translate is "kicking drum". which i suspect is not the same as the actual Dutch term for kickdrum? that is just a guess though, i'm sure one of the Dutch speakers on here can set me straight!)

You're guess is right, but it is actually a bit difficult to translate kickdrum to Dutch. We mostly use kickdrum or just kick. Like you mention this is also the case with Geleihoofd and all other tracks from Terror Traxx 17. It was one of the most played tracks and I went bananas every time. :-) At that time I had no idea what Geleihoofd meant (somebody who takes xtc?) but it is a funny title anyway.

Geleihoofd is a direct translation from jellyhead I guess.
Rob Gee also tried to speak a little Dutch in Nonshlen Tustokken, I heard somebody say the he tried to say "Kus M'n Kloten" (Kiss my balls) ;)

right, that's what i was thinking - it might be a literal translation of those 2 words but you wouldn't actually say it that way.

there is a sort of meta joke in there about how it's essentially a Dutch record, but made by 2 producers who weren't Dutch. reminds me a little of Rob Gee making up his own version of "Dutch" gibberish for "Nonshlen Tustokken" :D

RuffEd
At that time I had no idea what Geleihoofd meant (somebody who takes xtc?) but it is a funny title anyway.

not quite...t's a fun name for something not really that fun - a jellyhead is someone addicted to temazepam, which you could get in little gel capsules (hence "jelly"). not a recreational drug in the same way that ecstasy was, although some ravers would take it for comedowns. this is when Scotland was basically the heroin capital of Europe.

it really doesn't fit the actual tune itself of course :D

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From what I , the differences between the versions on Mokum and the versions on the Mono Tone release were pretty minor. More like when you hear a DJ play a tune before it was released, and the arrangement is slightly different, that sort of thing.

IIRC you can listen to the original version of Brontofuck on the first issue of the Braindead compilation.
https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/45621-Various-Braindead

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2StyliztikI was listening to the Hardcore Hell 2 CD mixed by Scott Brown and noticed both Hyperact tracks are played. On the CD the artist name is The Original Hyperact. Makes you wonder if those tracks were intended for Evolution or Twisted Vinyl under that artist name as mentioned on the CD cover.

i'm sure he probably wishes he'd kept it for his own label given how popular "My Best Friend" was :D

this is a topic I have thought of mentioning here before - but I do think the actual identity of Hyperact isn't exactly clear.

they had 2 other releases: the Monster Sound EP on Shoop is the other artist EP, but there's also "YRS Stomp / Jimmy Cokehill Experience" on Bass Generator, which is listed as being "the Hyperact mixes". The producer for both of those EPs is Gordon Tennant, I don't think Scott had much to do with it (which i think you can tell from the tracks).

And reading the label for "YRS Stomp"...it's not entirely clear, but the shouts do seem to finish with "Scotland's newest hardcore sensation Hyperact" - followed by 4 names, one of them being Technotrance. To me that suggests that it was originally set up by Technotrance as a band, with him and 3 of his mates - formed due to the Scottish rave scene's weird obsession with the rave band or "live" PA. (Even the first Technosis EP has them as a band with Vince and 3 other people, who then never feature on any subsequent release!).

And whilst Scott is credited on the Dwarf release, it is interesting the label only has

Certainly I don't think Scott (or Gordon) were necessarily of Hyperact as such, it's more that they were just the 2 guys who actually had studios, who helped a lot of other artists make tunes. Much like other early Evolution releases like Deviation Crew, or Renegade & Static - both distinct artists in their own right.

and to throw another spanner into the works, I'm sure The Doctor takes the Hyperact PA on the road at Old Skool gigs across Scotland.

i'm sure there must be quite a few artists playing at old skool gigs with very different lineups to back in the day. like i think there was a point when the 2 guys that were Altern8 in the early 90s, had a falling out and were both doing old skool gigs separately as Altern 8...

not as if anyone in the crowd is going to really give a shit to be fair :D

I agree, the identity of Hyperact is a bit vague, seems like Technotrance working with other producers. A couple of others based on remixes:

Highlander - Ruffneck/Roughneck. There's an Original Mix and a Bass D and King Matthew Remix. To me it looks like a Highlander record that was planned and never came out. Amazing track too. It's possible Get Them Move On, Get The Future Started, Last Forever and Mash Up The Place were also on this release, but maybe just filling a gap in a compilation. There's also Hardcore Paradise (DJ Norman Remix) on the first MOH CD, hhhmmmmm.....

Because I'm a fan of Thunderdome 18, I've always been curious about the last track: Naughty Boys - Hardcore Bee (Flying Terror Mix). To me, the smoking gun is the specific remix title, it I think implies an Original Mix. Is it possible this song was going to be on VHU and then the label closed down? I don't Kool Killers being associated with ID&T, though they did get remixes from ID&T artists. After their own label folded, did they send the tracks to ID&T who promptly released it only on Thunderdome 18? Was this coming out on ID&T and then they closed down many of their Hardcore labels in the latter part of 1997? Speculation is fun. :)

You know I thought I was pretty familiar with all the old Thunderdome CD only tracks, but that one really doesn't ring a bell, it must have totally ed me by!

VHU was part of a much bigger Italo label, DJ Movement - which from the looks of it was rebranded but still exists. I suspect the end of VHU was probably more a choice like the end of the ID&T hardcore labels...that and their biggest artist (Stunned Guys) setting up their own label. also their final release being Gabber Piet may not have helped...

Similarly I think the of Kool Killers also had a ton of projects in other genres, I guess in the same way they just focused on those - although Miss Groovy did continue with hardcore too. This was back in the 90s when an experienced producer with a studio could make a living just pumping out stuff in a variety of different genres. So it's hard to say.

It also seems quite possible that producers might just make a track specifically for a Thunderdome CD, not really intended for a vinyl release. For one thing it's definitely going to sell more copies...

2Styliztik
To me, the smoking gun is the specific remix title, it I think implies an Original Mix.

I dunno, sometimes producers will give a track a mix name even if there's only one version - kinda like a subtitle? first example that comes to mind is the "Raid Mix" of Pump Up the Noise by Marc Smith.

2Styliztik
Highlander - Last Forever

there's a sample in the middle of that which has always bugged me - sounds so much like Fat Tony from the Simpsons but I don't recognise it from any episode (that existed in 1996 anyway!)

what a tune. at least that one got a Spanish vinyl release...it's a shame happy hardcore didn't last longer in Holland because Highlander did it better than almost anyone.

See Pump Up The Noize, I've never understood the "this is a raid" ... it never made sense to me. First I used to hear it I thought it said "this is a rave" which makes loads more sense - why not use that as a sample instead? or is it two samples put together "pump up the noise" and "this is a raid"?

Those Highlander tracks being un-released are a good shout. Roughneck, Get The Future Started and Last Forever are brilliant tunes.

Was Solid Base - Prison Wall ever released on an original label rather than the Spanish release on a Makina label in the mid-90's?

I wonder if those Highlander guys were genuine fans of Chicago or they thought sampling one Chicago song worked, let's try another song. :) It does kinda sound like Fat Tony, but the sample is short and a little unintelligible.

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first example that comes to mind is the "Raid Mix" of Pump Up the Noise by Marc Smith.

If you look at the white label it just says Pump Up The Noise (This Is A Raid), note the spelling of Noise. Maybe this was the original title and changed after the white labels came out and before the final pressing. Its slightly possible the track was changed a bit and Marc placed a Raid Mix afterwards to denote this change, who knows. It also possible these were spelling mistakes made by Clubscene when getting info from Marc for the white labels. True story, when I got Marc Smith to sign my copy of Pump Up The Noize I asked about the dog on the back cover. The sadness in his eyes told me all I needed to know. :(

https://imgur.com/a/DSSAUmy

Hardtetris?
Was Hostile Konflict planning to have a solo record on Skrewface?

John_Galbraith
See Pump Up The Noize, I've never understood the "this is a raid" ... it never made sense to me. First I used to hear it I thought it said "this is a rave" which makes loads more sense - why not use that as a sample instead? or is it two samples put together "pump up the noise" and "this is a raid"?

it's taken from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLIMgapM16I - i mean the full line still makes sense to me...besides, samples in old hardcore are usually late 80s / early 90s hip hop, so they are quite often being taken out of context (most Public Enemy samples for starters!)

pretty sure the full track with the vocals was sampled by Bassy G too, it's a bit of an old skool classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QFlQYgUb5s

This one comes to mind: Various - Untitled, would've loved a vinyl release of "Out On The Streets".

Also the back cover of DJ Skorp & DJ Pila - Mindcontroller mentions two releases which never happened:
RNO 004 - King Mathew & Bass D
RNO 005 - RNO Tornado

2Styliztik
Highlander - Ruffneck/Roughneck. There's an Original Mix and a Bass D and King Matthew Remix. To me it looks like a Highlander record that was planned and never came out. Amazing track too.

Definitely, one of my favorites!

2Styliztik
https://imgur.com/a/DSSAUmy

Hardtetris?
Was Hostile Konflict planning to have a solo record on Skrewface?

MOS = Man Of Steel / Total Output perhaps?
But probaly the Of Skrewface 12" :(

2Styliztik
https://imgur.com/a/DSSAUmy

Hardtetris?

i'm guessing the A side of that became "Thrilling Me" on Blatant Beats...surprising to see the label listed as Up Yours (a one off Vinylgroover label) - then again it is by Trixxy who engineered for both Brisk and Vinylgroover. no idea on "Hardtetris" though. I mean I can guess what it is - I'm just surprised I've not heard it on any old Brisk sets.

on the topic of Brisk, I wish he'd released the good version of Rapido - Witness the Strength (14 mins on here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrkioflh6Rc) - the one that actually got released in 1999 is lame by comparison. Also "Listen Up" by DJ Ham on the same mix, only got a release on the vinyl version of a DJ Dougal mix album.

there's also a few Hixxy ones- most notably "A Ha Ha" and his remix of "Panic". he was never great at getting tunes out...i think he was playing his first dubplate version of "Thumper" in 1994 but it took until 99 for him to actually release the final version.

By the way - is that To The Core magazine? that takes me back! (also - were you seriously able to get that in Australia?!)

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MOS = Man Of Steel / Total Output perhaps?

wouldn't imagine his style on Skrewface. Also...this might sound silly as they were both UK artists but I associate him more with the London underground scene which was kinda separate from the wider UK rave scene that HMS was playing in.

i would also guess that Hostile Konflict was just HMS.

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John_GalbraithSee Pump Up The Noize, I've never understood the "this is a raid" ... it never made sense to me. First I used to hear it I thought it said "this is a rave" which makes loads more sense - why not use that as a sample instead? or is it two samples put together "pump up the noise" and "this is a raid"?

it's taken from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLIMgapM16I - i mean the full line still makes sense to me...besides, samples in old hardcore are usually late 80s / early 90s hip hop, so they are quite often being taken out of context (most Public Enemy samples for starters!)

pretty sure the full track with the vocals was sampled by Bassy G too, it's a bit of an old skool classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QFlQYgUb5s

I still don't really understand the sample pump up the noise, this is a raid - even with the context of the full rap sample on an original acapella. Is it a common phrase or something? does raid mean something different in rap ?