To me it looks like these three PANs have been set up for two different artists:
- Ewan MacColl, per the profile a british folk singer/songwriter, and
- Chesley McCaull.
Both profiles look to be well researched, including their named children (Kirsty, Hamish, Neill, Calum and Kitty as opposed to Sandra). Both profiles have images in which I'd say different people are shown, and regarding the clear differences in the first as well as the family name I therefore doubt that Chesley McCaullare the same artist and might be ANVed.
If this is true, it can only lead to the conclusion that one of the two artists is using other people's songwriting skills.
pfue
ClothdrumRoy MacCaull and Chesley McCaull are the same artist and might be ANVed.
I don't think so Roy MacCaull doesn't wrote The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face which is the only credit of Chesley McCaull.
Suggestion for the relevant entries concerning "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" :
Written By [Miscredited] - Chesley McCaull
Written-By - Ewan MacColl
Source: BMI
I know people just want to give the maximum information but the guidelines are there to give a consistent approach to issues. If the decision is made that it is credited to the wrong artist, the incorrect artist must go in the notes
It's not RSG §1.7.2 alone, but a combination of §1.7.2 and §10.4.2 that applies here:
RSG §10.4.2 – Written By (unlinked) – 2. In addition to the linked credit(s), in order to replicate the complete writer credit as it is formatted on the release.
Clothdrum
RSG §10.4.2 – Written By (unlinked) – 2. In addition to the linked credit(s)
I agree that's a reasonable interpretation of the guideline although I'd always read it as being supplementary to the linked credit, not where it contradicts the linked credit.
If that's how it goes, RSG §10.2.3 describes the use of square brackets. It doesn't seem to include the possibility of repeating the mandatory explanation by adding "[miscredited]"
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes:
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
The songwriter of "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is miscredited as Chesley McCaull on the artwork. The song was actually written by Ewan MacColl
el_duro
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes:
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
The songwriter of "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is miscredited as Chesley McCaull on the artwork. The song was actually written by Ewan MacColl
el_duro
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes:
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
The songwriter of "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is miscredited as Chesley McCaull on the artwork. The song was actually written by Ewan MacColl
Agree with the solution el_duro proposes. Assuming that there aren't two songs with the title "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face," which seems unlikely to me, this is the best option for whoever didn't do their homework on the writing credits for this release.
el_duro
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes:
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
The songwriter of "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is miscredited as Chesley McCaull on the artwork. The song was actually written by Ewan MacColl
el_duro
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes:
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
The songwriter of "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is miscredited as Chesley McCaull on the artwork. The song was actually written by Ewan MacColl
el_duro
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes:
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
The songwriter of "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is miscredited as Chesley McCaull on the artwork. The song was actually written by Ewan MacColl
pfue
F56Written By [Miscredited] - Chesley McCaull
Written-By - Ewan MacColl
+1 a good suggestion
If it is miscredited it goes to release notes.. is my thought..
There a much more releases with wrong credits but they end up in notes instead of using the bracketed "Miscredited"
We have to avoid that people on forum topic ask for a new credit role ..
Thx!
Comment still stands, despite the consensus there. Perhaps a welcome addition to the guidelines, but "[Miscredited]" is not a part of the RSG, let alone RSG §10.2.3.
Thank you very much for the many comments and for refreshing my knowledge of the guidelines! So Chesley McCaull and Chesley MacCaull, thanks for the hint Ewan MacColl.
el_duro
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes: ....
I will, thanks for clarification so far.
But I'm afraid I have a few more questions for my understanding:
1) As you yourself andcheebacheebakid wrote in the other thread you linked to above,
Written By [Miscredited] – Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncreditied] – Ewan MacColl
would be considered "completely incorrect" resp. "entirely incorrect".
On the other hand, you proposed to use
el_duro
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
plus an appropriate Notes entry.
So the difference that makes the Credits entry "entirely incorrect" is the explanatory addition [Miscredited] only. Right?
2) cheebacheebakid as well as you (in the quote) refer to, doesn't mention to use the unlinked 'Written By' at all.
Since it's "chrystal clear" how to use 1.7.2, should that unlinked credit be used here? Or wouldn't that be considered "entirely incorrect" as well, since the guideline only tells us to put this info into Notes, but not to use 'Written By' additionally?
Clothdrum
So the difference that makes the Credits entry "entirely incorrect" is the explanatory addition [Miscredited] only. Right?
Correct. The only exception for a "reasonable description of the instrument or credit role" in square brackets is "[Uncredited]", per current RSG.
Clothdrum
Since it's "chrystal clear" how to use 1.7.2, should that unlinked credit be used here?
The unlinked role can be used per 10.4.2. (2), "to replicate the complete writer credit as it is formatted on the release". The credit on the release is given as Chesley McCaull and thus the miscredited role can be entered in order to make sure the data is as close as possible in relation to the physical release (1.1.2.). Notes should be used to explain the erroneous credit.
theksmusik
Actually it should be, based on how it was decided in this thread:
Written By [Miscredited] – Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncreditied] – Ewan MacColl
With a succinct remark about the error in the Release Notes and the source of the correction (BMI) in the Submission Notes.
[Edit: corrected link; Windows clipboard drives me crazy sometimes]
Why is this miscredited so sudden allowed? It goes to the notes.
If this is allowed for this particular release then ALL releases with miscrediting needs
to be fixed. You cannot allow it for a handful and leave the rest.
j_lit
Both should be used, the unlinked Written By role for the miscredited artist in addition to the linked Written-By [Uncredited] role for the actual writer and an explanation should be added to the notes:
Written By - Chesley McCaull
Written-By [Uncredited] - Ewan MacColl
The songwriter of "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" is miscredited as Chesley McCaull on the artwork. The song was actually written by Ewan MacColl
This is how it should be
I do not agree that [Miscredited] should be used.
