50th Anniversary a subtitle or not?

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/release/33170649-Phaedra-50th-Anniversary-Edition/history?diff=16&page=1

I challenged a subtitle but was told the 50th Anniversary is a subtitle...i would still disagree but don't want to discuss it in the submission history.

Lots more examples provided where it is apparently a subtitle...but of course, these may be incorrect.

Any thoughts anyone?

6.1.5. applies. "50th Anniversary Edition" is not considered part of the title and should always be entered into FTF.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/forum/thread/777181?message_id=7726313#7722323

Any comment, Andi242?

el_duro
6.1.5. applies. "50th Anniversary Edition" is not considered part of the title and should always be entered into FTF.

Of course … +1

It's part of the title, it's useful and it's the most complete title, see RSG §3.1.3.: „Sometimes the title is written in a different way on the cover than on the spine or other places. It is best to use the title on the cover, but also consider what is going to be most useful to other s, so the most complete title is better no matter where it appears.“ And the booklet all six gatefolds in the box also show this title.
So, if RSG §3.1.3. doesn't apply, where do we get titles from?
And if "50th Anniversary Edition" isn't a subtile, what then?
Staff also agrees to add such subtitles, see https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/forum/thread/777181?message_id=7726313#7722241

So we now have 2 people citing 2 Diognes_The_Fox posts in the same thread, each of which arguably a contradictory position….madness
Edit: to me the release here which has it on the cover absolutely qualifies as a subtitle

TD did not release an album named "Phaedra 50th Anniversary Edition" (on front) but "Phaedra" and the reissue label added "50th Anniversary Edition" for marketing purposes to the box set edition. "XX Anniversary Edition" is by no means a valid subtitle but simple marketing. 6.1.5. is perfectly clear and unambiguous in this matter.

el_duro
unambiguous

I disagree.

Text that isn't part of the title but distinguishes the specific release from others (for example, 'Disc 1', '30th Anniversary Edition', etc.)

The title of the album still is "Phaedra" and this version is being marketed as the 50th Anniversary Edition of the album.

Enjoy the discussion, I'm out.

el_duro
The title of the album still is "Phaedra" and this version is being marketed as the 50th Anniversary Edition of the album.

Exactly this and therefore Title is 'Phaedra' and '50th Anniversary Edition' is an ftf note to distinguish it from other versions of 'Phaedra'.

Surely the definition of a subtitle for a musical release is one that is a secondary 'title' ie 'the early years' or 'deep cuts' or 'live from...'

'50th Anniversary' is not a secondary title, but a marketing nod as to why it's being re-released 50 years after originally released....

Any more thoughts on this from anyone, please?

el_duro
TD did not release an album named "Phaedra 50th Anniversary Edition" (on front) but "Phaedra" and the reissue label added "50th Anniversary Edition" for marketing purposes to the box set edition. "XX Anniversary Edition" is by no means a valid subtitle but simple marketing. 6.1.5. is perfectly clear and unambiguous in this matter.

I agree

Similar discussion here, where nik stated that those are not subtitles but descriptive of any given edition. Basically, FTF material.

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/forum/thread/338861

Andi242
So, if RSG §3.1.3. doesn't apply, where do we get titles from?
And if "50th Anniversary Edition" isn't a subtile, what then?

Of course 3.1.3 applies, but then 6.5.1 comes along and adds specific situational Guidelines, which answers the second part: It goes in the Free Text Field.

The Guidelines are not a collection of standalone conditions - they're a cumulative set of rules to apply.

typoman2
el_duro6.1.5. applies. "50th Anniversary Edition" is not considered part of the title and should always be entered into FTF.
Of course … +1

+1 from me

This has been discussed many times. One example in the guidelines of "XX Anniversary Edition" doesn't mean it can never be a subtitle.

If the release uses it as a subtitle, then it's a subtitle.

Most of the time "XX Anniversary Edition" isn't being used as a subtitle, but when it is, it can be used here on Discogs as a subtitle -

Per Nik -

https://www.discogs.sitioby.com/forum/thread/830822?page=1&message_id=8258907#8258907

And "Title" doesn't always mean "Album Title", we document "releases" here on Discogs. The "Release Title" can have differences from the "Album Title".

For Tangerine Dream - Phaedra - I wouldn't add it as part of the title, because it isn't consistently used as such on the release.